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		<title>By: Tavurvur</title>
		<link>http://themelanesian.org/2008/08/05/why-should-white-people-have-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Tavurvur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. Gabi&#039;s comment is still very relevant in modern Papua New Guinea. All you have to do is hop on down to the yacht club in any major centre to understand what I&#039;m talking about.

What concerns me, is the lack of cross-cultural training (if any) that a lot of expatriates in PNG are given prior to them immersing themselves in business within PNG. This is where the door is opened for the implementation of an ethnocentric perspective on PNG, its people and culture - and you see it all over PNG.

I agree with Andrew, the white man does have culture but there a lot of issues surrounding that culture like Fijinut pointed out - individualism vs. collectivism. 

There is one tool that I can think of that allows one to understand better certain cultures and that is a Hofstede Analysis.

I&#039;ll try to address the issue in one of my posts when I can find the  time :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. Gabi&#8217;s comment is still very relevant in modern Papua New Guinea. All you have to do is hop on down to the yacht club in any major centre to understand what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>What concerns me, is the lack of cross-cultural training (if any) that a lot of expatriates in PNG are given prior to them immersing themselves in business within PNG. This is where the door is opened for the implementation of an ethnocentric perspective on PNG, its people and culture &#8211; and you see it all over PNG.</p>
<p>I agree with Andrew, the white man does have culture but there a lot of issues surrounding that culture like Fijinut pointed out &#8211; individualism vs. collectivism. </p>
<p>There is one tool that I can think of that allows one to understand better certain cultures and that is a Hofstede Analysis.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to address the issue in one of my posts when I can find the  time <img src='http://themelanesian.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: susanne</title>
		<link>http://themelanesian.org/2008/08/05/why-should-white-people-have-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>susanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the author in terms of the need to find similarities and not differences - to overcome the notion that we are separated by culture(s). I have my kastom - you have yours. Fine - are we able to agree on common grounds? Do we all struggle to better the world in small steps, do we all suffer from injustice? Of course, the suffering of colonial subjects in the past and present (if I may gloss it this way) is very painful - pain is what unites us, as is love and hope.

The White Man is not necessarily white in today&#039;s global economy, individualism not a disgusting ego-trip of Westerners alone. White and brown are no valid categories in our world when we stop to think and act them. Many of us have crossed borders, culturally, emotionally, epistemologically. We may gain and suffer from these crossings but they help us to understand each other better.

History can help to see where we came from - female agency, for example, has led to many changes. Gabi is to applaud in her courage and vision of resistance. Speaking up is not easy - that unites us in this world as well. 
SK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the author in terms of the need to find similarities and not differences &#8211; to overcome the notion that we are separated by culture(s). I have my kastom &#8211; you have yours. Fine &#8211; are we able to agree on common grounds? Do we all struggle to better the world in small steps, do we all suffer from injustice? Of course, the suffering of colonial subjects in the past and present (if I may gloss it this way) is very painful &#8211; pain is what unites us, as is love and hope.</p>
<p>The White Man is not necessarily white in today&#8217;s global economy, individualism not a disgusting ego-trip of Westerners alone. White and brown are no valid categories in our world when we stop to think and act them. Many of us have crossed borders, culturally, emotionally, epistemologically. We may gain and suffer from these crossings but they help us to understand each other better.</p>
<p>History can help to see where we came from &#8211; female agency, for example, has led to many changes. Gabi is to applaud in her courage and vision of resistance. Speaking up is not easy &#8211; that unites us in this world as well.<br />
SK</p>
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		<title>By: fijinut</title>
		<link>http://themelanesian.org/2008/08/05/why-should-white-people-have-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>fijinut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dorothy.  I find it interesting to wonder about how the white man came to a point where he begins to think the way he does and it could have something to do with his pursuit of wealth and power.  
What mystifies me is why all other cultures of the world operate on very similar basis of communalism while the white man comes with his concepts of individualism?  Where or how did it begin?  Have the white man always thought this way?  
His mentality fascinates me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dorothy.  I find it interesting to wonder about how the white man came to a point where he begins to think the way he does and it could have something to do with his pursuit of wealth and power.<br />
What mystifies me is why all other cultures of the world operate on very similar basis of communalism while the white man comes with his concepts of individualism?  Where or how did it begin?  Have the white man always thought this way?<br />
His mentality fascinates me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy Tekwie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy Tekwie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting to note all your comments. I believe &quot;the white man&quot; actually lost his culture pursuing wealth, fame and power through anixation of other indigenous peoples and cultures. The &#039;white man&#039; has not only been an imperialist but a suppresionist of indigenous cultures while promoting &#039;his&#039;culture as superior to others. The sad things is many of us educated and well-to-do Pacific people are also carried away by this notion that a &#039;white culture&#039; of superior to our own. We are becoming individualist and pursuing  wealth, fame and power in the same way as a &#039;white man&#039; . We have become a &#039;white man in a black body&#039;. Another sad fact is many of our well to do who are politicans are selling our traditional, cultural, social and environmental heritage to these foreigners to fullfil these dreams  - many times at the cost of their people and country. These dreams also come with their social evils of corruption, AIDS, life-style diseases and spiritual unfullfilment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting to note all your comments. I believe &#8220;the white man&#8221; actually lost his culture pursuing wealth, fame and power through anixation of other indigenous peoples and cultures. The &#8216;white man&#8217; has not only been an imperialist but a suppresionist of indigenous cultures while promoting &#8216;his&#8217;culture as superior to others. The sad things is many of us educated and well-to-do Pacific people are also carried away by this notion that a &#8216;white culture&#8217; of superior to our own. We are becoming individualist and pursuing  wealth, fame and power in the same way as a &#8216;white man&#8217; . We have become a &#8216;white man in a black body&#8217;. Another sad fact is many of our well to do who are politicans are selling our traditional, cultural, social and environmental heritage to these foreigners to fullfil these dreams  &#8211; many times at the cost of their people and country. These dreams also come with their social evils of corruption, AIDS, life-style diseases and spiritual unfullfilment.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Koki east of Tuogoba hill? I think you mean Ela Beach is south of Tuogoba?

yours uncultivated
-R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Koki east of Tuogoba hill? I think you mean Ela Beach is south of Tuogoba?</p>
<p>yours uncultivated<br />
-R</p>
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		<title>By: Eccekio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccekio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several reasons for our apparent lack of culture. One we are a recently settled - displaced - people in a foreign and often hostile land, whiuch we don&#039;t understand, so we have no roots yet.

 For my self; My family have been here five generations now, and my ancestors hail from Scotland. So after this amount of time, I am starting to feel as one with my native land. I also know my family dates back several centuries in Scottish Kirk records. So I have a culture.

 The other reason was the old (not so old) notion, that white culture was superior, and all other cultures should be subservient to ours. (The whiteman&#039;s buden no?)

 These notions are gradually passing. Men of my father&#039;s generation were in favour of freedom for the &quot;blacks&quot;.... &quot;But a black man should keep a black man&#039;s place.&quot; I never asked what a black man&#039;s place was, even though I was somewhat curious. It is not pukka, to too closely examine your parent&#039;s prejudices. :)

Regards......Ralph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several reasons for our apparent lack of culture. One we are a recently settled &#8211; displaced &#8211; people in a foreign and often hostile land, whiuch we don&#8217;t understand, so we have no roots yet.</p>
<p> For my self; My family have been here five generations now, and my ancestors hail from Scotland. So after this amount of time, I am starting to feel as one with my native land. I also know my family dates back several centuries in Scottish Kirk records. So I have a culture.</p>
<p> The other reason was the old (not so old) notion, that white culture was superior, and all other cultures should be subservient to ours. (The whiteman&#8217;s buden no?)</p>
<p> These notions are gradually passing. Men of my father&#8217;s generation were in favour of freedom for the &#8220;blacks&#8221;&#8230;. &#8220;But a black man should keep a black man&#8217;s place.&#8221; I never asked what a black man&#8217;s place was, even though I was somewhat curious. It is not pukka, to too closely examine your parent&#8217;s prejudices. <img src='http://themelanesian.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Regards&#8230;&#8230;Ralph.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Moutu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Moutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bula,

Quiet the contrary. It is not that the white man got to a stage where he has no culture. He has CULTURE all along and is fully cognisant of the fact that he has this thing culture which he uses to differentiate and create the distinction between Westerners and resterners. What is problematic is that his concept of culture probably blinded him to the ways in which the idea of culture might be constituted either similarly or differently. What I think can be gained from Gabi&#039;s concept of culture is the way in which people create social and cultural differentiation. Now these are technical terms which philosophers and anthropologists think about in different ways. 

An insight from Gabi&#039;s view of culture is akin to what the anthropologist, Roy Wagner, has argued that all human relationships is similar in one way or another, irrespective of our creed, colour or geographical backgrounds. So self-similarity is already projected into the conceptual design of her moral and cognitive stance. We are already similar is different to saying we are already different. This therefore means that we have create difference out of similarity. Now this is getting into conceptual terrain so I will stop here for the time being.

Cheers,

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bula,</p>
<p>Quiet the contrary. It is not that the white man got to a stage where he has no culture. He has CULTURE all along and is fully cognisant of the fact that he has this thing culture which he uses to differentiate and create the distinction between Westerners and resterners. What is problematic is that his concept of culture probably blinded him to the ways in which the idea of culture might be constituted either similarly or differently. What I think can be gained from Gabi&#8217;s concept of culture is the way in which people create social and cultural differentiation. Now these are technical terms which philosophers and anthropologists think about in different ways. </p>
<p>An insight from Gabi&#8217;s view of culture is akin to what the anthropologist, Roy Wagner, has argued that all human relationships is similar in one way or another, irrespective of our creed, colour or geographical backgrounds. So self-similarity is already projected into the conceptual design of her moral and cognitive stance. We are already similar is different to saying we are already different. This therefore means that we have create difference out of similarity. Now this is getting into conceptual terrain so I will stop here for the time being.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: fijinut</title>
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		<dc:creator>fijinut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then the pertinent question for me is: How did the white man get to such a stage where he has no culture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then the pertinent question for me is: How did the white man get to such a stage where he has no culture?</p>
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